Monthly Archives: January 2014

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CGSSA 2014 Question: How would you suffer?

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CGSSA 2014 Question: How would you suffer?

I am asking everyone this question answer it seriously and with detail if possible. I am asking this question to help everyone understand what is at stake and to help you know how to answer the question “why do you need a gun”.
One day an anti, or legislator or someone of influence may ask you the question and your answer needs to be honest, real and show consequence.

Here is my answer

My suffering:

[*]While living in Phoenix there was one night that Karen came to pick me up at work around 1130 pm. She had both kids in their car seats. While waiting for me a man/pimp was starting to beat up on a woman in the alley Karen had to park in to pick me up. When the male saw that she was there and saw everything he ran towards the car and tried to break in. She drew her .38 and pointed it at the male. He quickly ran off.

[*]On another occasion I was at the park with Karen, Sasha (grand daughter) and Penny. I saw two men acting suspiciously near the school buildings, they turned saw Sasha and Penny playing with Karen and decided to walk our way, less than 30 yards. I saw them walking towards us so I moved to a half way position between the two groups. My intent was clear, they stopped made a few stupid gestures and walked off in another direction. I know from my past training and current that i could deal with two jerks, but the what if’s started popping up in my mind.

[*]Penny was a puppy, would she run off scared and get lost or hurt?
[*]What if one had a gun, then what?
[*]How would Karen handle Sasha (3 years old) and Penny (8 months old) if they both where scared and running.
[*]What happens as Karen and I get older start to lose the ability to really be able to fight back?
[*]Karen had just gotten out of her surgical boot three weeks before, what if this had happened 4 weeks before and she had to scoop up Sasha and Penny and run, when she couldn’t?
[*]Why does my family have to be the victim because someone else is afraid of a gun?
[*]What if I wasn’t there.
Anyone else?
I am asking a serious question, so please give me your heart felt answer.

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CGSSA Reprint of NRA-ILA news: Attention residents of the City of Los Angeles and Orange County

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CGSSA Reprint of NRA-ILA news: Attention residents of the City of Los Angeles and Orange County

NRA-ILA Link to the story and resources:

Attention residents of the City of Los Angeles and Orange County:

We recently learned that local law enforcement entities are conducting firearm confiscation raids in your area on behalf of the California Department of Justice, as part of its Armed Prohibited Persons System (“APPS”) program. These raids are typically conducted without search warrants.

Be prepared! While these raids are promoted by politicians as intended to disarm dangerous criminals, they actually more often target unsuspecting citizens who present no danger and have no idea that they are prohibited from possessing firearms and ammunition.

Watch this video for background on APPS’s shortcomings and injustices, and this revealing video in review of a former DOJ Special Agent who formerly conducted APPS raids.

For an overview of how these confiscations are conducted, and information about your rights when subjected to one, read this memorandum.

If you are uncertain if you are prohibited from possessing a firearm or ammunition, check your eligibility by submitting a Personal Firearms Eligibility Check application to the California Department of Justice.

If you are prohibited from possessing firearms, contact an attorney to discuss how best to restore your rights and comply with the law.

If law enforcement shows up at your home asking about firearms:

Don’t talk! Officers are trained to get people to make statements that provide “probable cause” to search and seize. Try not to even open the door.
Instead, provide the officers with this flyer, or tell the officers that you assert your right to remain silent and want to have an attorney present (actually say those words).
Do NOT “consent” to a search of your person, possessions, or home. Insist on a search warrant. If they don’t have a warrant, refuse the search entirely and close the door.
Consult a lawyer immediately.

Confirm whether you may legally possess firearms and learn your rights! Don’t take the rap for APPS!

Reprint of CALGUNLAWS.Com memorandum

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L.A. County Sheriff election candidates and CCW.

Sheriff Lee Baca at a Los Angeles gun buyback. From Facebook.

Sheriff Lee Baca at a Los Angeles gun buyback. From Facebook.

The L.A. County Sheriff’s office has been tainted by numerous scandals and allegations:

“…fallout from 18 current and former deputies being indicted in December for an array of alleged crimes, a Justice Department investigation in 2013 that found deputies made unconstitutional stops and used excessive force against minorities in the Antelope Valley, and hiring practices that saw many deputies being hired with criminal records”

In addition to corruption and abuses, Los Angeles County gun owners are likely to be very interested in how the current contenders for the office feel about the issuance of Concealed Carry Weapons Permits.

No doubt, the recent Lu v Baca ruling will be a contributing factor in whatever the new Sheriff’s policy will be.

Some, who are involved in helping Angelenos apply for CCWs feel that former Assistant Sheriff Paul Tanaka, ousted amidst controversy, is both a front-runner and pro-CCW.

Tanaka’s campaign web site outlines his stance on CCW thusly:

“I understand the need for caution when allowing civilian residents to legally carry firearms in public. However, as a strong supporter of the Second Amendment I also believe in a person’s right to defend themselves, their families and their homes from possible threats; if it is done in a responsible manner. When elected Sheriff, I will ensure that every CCW request is evaluated on an objective and individual basis without favoritism. If there is a compelling and justified reason for one to be issued, and the applicant meets all the conditions required under the law, I will ensure that the application is duly processed.” –

However, this may be politically expedient doublespeak, as pointed out by an LA Weekly article:

“Paul Tanaka is making a pitch to the gun-rights community by promising to reform the way the department handles permits for concealed weapons, or CCWs. In a statement on his campaign website, Tanaka calls himself “a strong supporter of the Second Amendment,” and laments that L.A. is one of the toughest counties in the state in which to get a permit.

Yet Tanaka’s record of handling concealed weapons has been more complicated. For a two-year period when he was Baca’s undersheriff, Tanaka was in charge of issuing concealed-weapons permits. In that time, he denied the vast majority of applications he received. Of the few he approved, one went to a billionaire movie producer who is now a key supporter of his campaign.”

Tanaka was, in fact, responsible for the LASD CCW program for at least years. While the total number of CCWs in L.A. County is very high (the highest in the state, according to some), its per-capita rate is disproportionately low. And this speaks poorly of Tanaka’s track record.

A summary of Tanaka’s career can be found on his wikipedia entry:

  • A career law enforcement officer
  • January 7, 2005 to June 2011, he was the an Assistant Sheriff
  • March 7, 1988, Tanaka was involved in a controversial killing of an unarmed Korean American in Long Beach, sparking outrage among Korean American community leaders
  • He has been criticized for his affiliation with the “Vikings”, a secret police organization brought to light amidst police misconduct litigation in 1990. He appears somewhat evasive about this period of his life in a KFI interview

A recent LA Times article summarizes some of the other candidates:

Jim Hellmold, a 25-year department veteran (and perennial favorite in the deputy union’s member-voted ratings) is also running. He rose from Baca’s driver to assistant sheriff, is well-liked among the rank and file, sought to distance himself from the embattled Baca. A blog entry found through a Google search seems to sugggest he may have been involved in preferential issuance of CCW to Sylvester Stallone.

Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell is also reportedly running, boasting a long list of supporters including Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey, her predecessor Steve Cooley and Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck. Political observers say he should be considered a front-runner His CCW stance is not clear. Google results with his name and “CCW” do not yield any information.

Assistant Sheriff Todd Rogers entered the race the day that Baca pulled out. He is currently serving as a councilman and Vice Mayor for the city of Lakewood. A member relates him to be “a nice guy, very personable”. He offers his town’s paper’s report on Rogers entering the race:…-sheriff-baca/ No verifiable information on his CCW stance available at this time.

Bob Olmsted, another of Baca’s former top aides is also running. A call to the PR group handling his election PR regarding his CCW stance has not be returned. Another member provides a link to Olmsted’s statement on CCW:

“Olmsted will ensure CCWPs are given out in a fair & evenhanded way to those who can demonstrate a clear and present need. Olmsted will increase training requirements and fees for those who apply for CCW permits.”

The statement says Olmsted also wants to require re-application every two years.

Additional candidates include:

Patrick Gomez; a retired sheriff’s lieutenant. A message left at the number listed as Gomez’s campaign contact has not been returned.

Lou Vince; a Los Angeles Police Department detective supervisor and sheriff’s reserve deputy. Judging by the comments on his Facebook page, he is anti-CCW:

Baca endorses Todd Rogers and James Hellmold as strong candidates to replace him.

A thread established for the collection of information on the candidates’ CCW stance can be found here.

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CGSSA January 2014 Rimfire Match

CGSSA January 2014 Rimfire Match


Following are the classes of Targets.

Pistol: 15 and 25yd . Offhand and bench rest scored separately. Iron sights, red dot or non-magnifed scope. One winner for 15 yd and 25 yd each offhand and bench rest.

Rifle-Iron Sights: 25yd, 50yd and 100yd Aperture Sights only. This class of shooting is determined by the type of rear sight on the rifle. Any type front sight is allowed as long as there is no magnification.

Rifle Iron Sights: 25yd, 50yd and 100yd Open Rear Sight only. This class of shooting is determined by the type of rear sight on the rifle. Open rear sight of the Buckhorn (notched) or similar type only. Any type of front sight is allowed as long as there is no magnification.

Rifle Scoped: 50yd and 100yd (25yd scoped at the Coordinators discretion). No limit on magnification.

This is an online match. Print all targets at 100%. Colored targets may be printed in grayscale to save on color ink, shoot where and when you want. Annotate on the target the Distance, Score and type of sights used (ie. Scope, Aperature, Open, Red Dot). Take a picture of your target(s) and post in this thread for bragging rights!! and are two websites where you can host you target pictures and link to your post. Match runs from the 1st day of the month until the last day. Shoot as many targets as you want and post up to two targets for each target class.

Note: If the shot is touching the line, it is scored on the higher number.

I encourage meeting up with other match shooters. Any rimfire firearm is eligible. Shooting from a benchrest, prone, sitting, standing, hood of your car, leaning against a tree is acceptable. Using a rest in which the Rifle/Pistol can be locked down is verboten (ie. can’t do that).

Bonus Points

Here is how it will work. This is only on targets that have multiple shots on one target We shoot the targets as normal and add up the scores like normal. The twist is we shoot for groups as well. For example, if we are shooting 5 shots on each target. If none of the 5 bullet holes are touching you get no bonus points. If two are touching you get 2 bonus points. If three are touching you get 3 bonus points on up to 5 bonus points for each target.

(Clarification on this rule. The number of shots touching determines the bonus points. There are no additional points for a second group of touching shots. Example: In a five shot group if three shots touch that’s 3 bonus points. If the two remaining shots are touching but not touching the 3 shot group there are NO additional points. If two shots are touching and a second group of two shots are touching there are only TWO bonus points)

Finally for any questions just send a PM to the Match Co-ordinator for this month and he/she will get right back to you. Also feel free to send a PM with feedback/complaints/errors. Comments about the matches that are posted within the Match Thread will not be responded to, use PM only. Limit posts in the Match Thread to Target Posts and kudos to other shooters. These matches are based on “Gentlemen’s/Ladie’s Honor” so go shoot and have fun.

Make sure for each target indicate your total score and if not already indicated on the target note the distance shot and what type of sights. Ex: Score =xxx, Open or Aperture Sights, Scope, Red Dot. No fair shooting iron sight targets with a scope for score. )

Pistol: we will use the same targets for offhand and bench rest shooting. Mark your targets accordingly.

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Monthly Shoot LAX Range – Wed, January 8th – LA/South Bay/WLA

CGSSA 14 Event – Monthly Shoot LAX Range – Wed, January 8th – LA/South Bay/WLA 

Sorry for the late notice! Work and being sick has had me on a down cycle for a while!

Hello Everyone! It’s time to warm things up with our monthly W. LA / South Bay LAX Range Shoot!

It’s that time again, time for the monthly W. LA shoot @ LAX Range!
Raffle tickets, check!
Date/Time confirmed, check!
I’ll have the Beowulf .50 AR as well as the usual AR Pistol Menagerie!
I’ll see you guys on the range!
If you have any requests as far as something you want to try out for yourself or a friend, feel free to post in this thread!

This shoot is followed immediately by a migration to Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles for a late dinner, and the usual SGV Gun Clean-B-Que on 11 Jan 2014. PM for details!

– HappyCamper781/Jeremy


Join us at LAX Firing Range (not the airport) in Inglewood (927 West Manchester Blvd, Inglewood) on 1/8/2014 @ 7:00 PM. We’re excited to team up with LAX, and they in turn have extended a discount of 10% off any in store factory ammunition not already discounted to all Calgunners.

Parking is limited, but don’t fret parking is allowed at the car wash next door after hours, and there are always the lovely “safe” streets of Inglewood.

Please review the following details pertaining to the meet:

Pistols – The occasional double tap is acceptable (but if it’s get’s out of line the privilege will be taken away), no holstered pistols, no drawing from a holster, no open carry (all standard indoor range safety rules apply)
Rifles – High Powered Rifles up to a .30-06 are permitted with the use of range ammunition..
Shotguns – Shotguns are also permitted, again, only with the use of range ammunition.
Cost – $10.00, stay and shoot as long as you want!
*CalGunners get membership prices on factory ammo and rentals.
** LAX members are free to attend.
*** If you’ve never been to LAX you’ll need to purchase a shooting card for $2. This is a one time fee for new (to the range shooters).

REMINDER: – When you’re there, your actions represent the entire Calguns community. We should always take responsibility for our actions, and treat their facility with the utmost respect. Remember to unpack your firearms in the booth if at all possible! (Additional note, we’ve gotten a few internal Calguns comments regarding range etiquette, remember, this is a firing range, muzzle sweeping, and inadvertent violations of range rules are very very no bueno).

They’ll be reserving several lanes for us on their main range, but we will have to share the range with other walk on shooters. If there are others present, I urge you to engage them in conversations about Calguns, and why you choose to attend these types of events. They have a huge “pro shop” with tons of items available for purchase as well as a couch and multiple TVs.

So, who’s in? You know there is nothing better that you’d rather do on a Wednesday night than shoot some guns with fellow CalGunners!

P.S. If you’re interested in volunteering your time and helping coordinate this shoot, or one like it in your area, contact myself or RoundEye for details.

Shoot Roster:
1) Happycamper781
2) pigpen66m
3) Exodus343?
4) pmrsino?
5) neubine?
6) abuckner?
7) 200apples?
8) ConcreteJungle – YAY someone who’s sure!
9) funnybookz?
10) Kurus214?
11) ?

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Monthly Shoot Rancho Magnum Range – Fri, Jan 3rd – IE

AAR Report
Event Name: CGSSA 14 Event – Monthly Shoot Rancho Magnum Range – Fri, Jan 3rd – IE
Date: 01/03/14
Which Range: Rancho Magnum Range
Who was the Event Leader: Justin aka Chaos47
Volunteer List: Travis aka Dirte, Diana aka PhysicsAngel, SeanCasey
How many showed: 18
(Optional) Round Count: Unknown
Weather: Indoors
Range Fees: $20 per Person. Private event after hours free pizza, water and soda.
Event Details:
The first shoot of the 2014 New Year for the Inland Empire Chapter of CGSSA was held on January 3rd. We had 18 people in attendance, ranging from beginners to experienced shooters. The Inland Empire monthly shoot is held every first Friday of the month at Rancho Magnum Range (RMR). This month we had a guest speaker California State Assemblyman Mike Morrell who represents the 40th district give a quick speech followed with a Question and Answer session.
General range time then followed. During this time people tested our their new firearms. New shooters learned the basics. And some shooters tried their hand at the NRA/Winchester Pistol Qualification. This month we had 3 new people earn the first rank in the program “Pro-Marksman”. Others worked on their progression of “Marksman 1st Class”. And one was able to complete the rank of “Sharpshooter”.
Congratulations to:
Jaymz earning the rank of “Pro-Marksman”
River Bound earning the rank of “Pro-Marksman”
ALV2297 earning the rank of “Pro-Marksman”
Chaos47 earning the rank of “Sharpshooter”
Also at the end of the night we had our competition. This month we chose to use 22LR Rifles. The competition was open to any style rifle and included scopes and iron sights. The field ranged from the Marlin 795 and Ruger 10/22 to AR style rifles. The target was a representation of the Time Square New Years Ball. The winner was the best 5 shot group at the ranges max distance of 45 feet.
Congratulations to:
1st Place winnre winning a CGSSA T-Shirt
2nd Place BlackstoneGhost winning a CGN Zombie Response Team Velcro Patch
3rd Place Glocked@45 winning a CGN Case Tag

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